Interview | Saw A---, (male, unknown age), B--- village, Kawkareik Township, Dooplaya District (February 2016)
The following Interview was conducted by a community member trained by KHRG to monitor local human rights conditions. It was conducted in Dooplaya District on February 6th 2016 and is presented below translated exactly as it was received, save for minor edits for clarity and security. This interview was received along with other information from Dooplaya District, including five other interviews and 41 photographs.
Marital Status: Married
What is your name?
My name is Saw A---.
What do you do?
I work on a plain farm.
What is your religion?
Do you have your own family?
Yes, I have my own family.
How many children do you have?
I have four children.
You have four children?
Yes, I have four children. There are six people in my family including my wife and myself.
Can you tell me what you know about what happened last night?
The people said that they [a villager] stepped on a landmine which had been planted by them [Border Guard Force (BGF)]. They [BGF] planted it after they heard the people [Na Ma Kya under the control of the Democratic Karen Buddhist Army (DKBA)] would come back [to the area]. We did not know anything [about DKBA coming to the area], we had only heard the gunfire but we did not see any group come here.
Can you tell me the date of the incident in B--- village?
Yes, the people said that at the present time the situation is not good and one person stepped on a landmine which had been planted by them [BGF].
When did it happen?
It happened last night at about 1:00 AM.
Was it at 1:00 AM?
Yes, at about 1:00 AM.
Did it happen on February 6th 2016 at about 1:00 AM?
Yes, it happened on February 6th 2016 at about 1:00 AM.
How long was there gunfire for?
It lasted for over 30 minutes.
Have any livestock been injured in your village?
I have not seen any livestock or villagers being injured in the village.
Has the fighting damaged people’s property, such as household items?
Yes, it has damaged some people’s property.
Have any villagers been injured?
No, none of the villagers have been injured.
After the fighting, did they [BGF] permit you to stay here or not?
They permitted us to live here. They told us, “if you flee from your village, we will set your houses on fire.” Even though we did not flee, they still fired artillery at our village. Since they did not allow us to flee, they should not have opened fire on the village. They fired guns in the village but we did not see any group that they were [supposedly] fighting against.
How many times [rounds of] artillery did they fire at the village?
I think it was over 30 times [rounds].
Did they all explode?
Some of them exploded and some did not explode.
Where did villagers flee to hide themselves?
All of the villagers stayed in the village. We were not allowed to flee because they [BGF] threatened us that if we fled from the village, they would set our houses on fire. If they keep speaking to us like this in the future, we will not listen to them anymore because we only ever see them fire guns at the villagers. They do not fire against their enemy [the other armed groups].
What is BGF’s purpose for fighting? Did they intend to scare the villagers?
I think they did not fire the guns with the purpose of fighting against their enemy [the other armed groups]. I think they fired the guns in order to scare villagers because they might think that villagers are supporting DKBA. We do not want to support any armed groups, we just want to live simply as villagers.
Are you able to go to your land close to here?
At the present time, we do not dare to go anywhere. Even when we burn the charcoal just outside of the village, they [BGF] do not allow us to go there.
What will they do if they see you outside of the village?
If they see us outside of the village, they will kill us.
Do they not allow you to go outside of the village?
No, they do not allow us to.
Do they create any rules [for villagers] to follow? For example, no one is allowed to go out after 6:00 PM.
They do not set up any rules but it [the situation] is very strict for us.
How have they made it strict for you [the villagers]?
We do not dare to go out of the village and they do not allow us to go out at night time. It restricts us [our freedom of movement].
Did they open fire at night aimed at B--- village?
Yes, the biggest difficulty for us is that they did not permit us to flee from the village but they still fired the guns at the village. Since they did not let us flee, they should not have fired the guns at the village. We only saw one group open fire. We did not see any other group. They asked us, “did you seen any other group?” We did not see any other group.
Which group questioned you?
BGF questioned us.
Who was the leader of that group?
Dee Kyaw Naw.
Where is he from?
He is from Tha Nay Moo village.
What is his position?
He is a battalion deputy commander.
Do you know their battalion number?
I do not know and I do not dare to ask.
How many households are there in B--- village?
There are over [censored for security] households in B--- village.
What about C--- village?
It will be around that many too. C--- village is located close to a school.
Would you like to add anything else to give suggestions [to improve the situation]?
Some Karen people say they [BGF] love their people but when they open fire, they only fire at the villagers. I do not think they love their people. The people who love their nation will never think in this way. The civilians and military are totally different. I think they only love themselves.
Do you want to let us know anything about any of your family’s problems?
We face food problems. We are not allowed to collect vegetables even in our plain farm; we can only collect them in our garden [around our house]. We would not complain about anything if they just fought against their enemy [and not against villagers]. They open fire at the village and shout at villagers. As they are soldiers, they should fight against their enemy and not civilians. It is not how soldiers should behave. As we are villagers we do not know anything about them [BGF activities]. How can we know if they do not tell us whether they will come here or not? I want to talk openly.
Is there anything else left to say?
No, I only want to say this much.
Thank you very much.